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MY QUESTION TO BELIEVERS …


Smiley Think Question 001Are you intellectually outraged when people assert that no gods exist?

Do you respond by asking “How could you be so arrogant? You can’t possibly know that!” or “Do you know everything?”

If so, I have a question for you, how can you be certain only ONE god exists? Do you know everything? How could you be so arrogant? You can’t possibly know that!

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3 comments on “MY QUESTION TO BELIEVERS …

  1. Maingi
    December 17, 2014

    I do not think that this question can be legitimately asked by an atheist since as far as I understand them their position is that they deny the existence of God or gods.
    If a person beliefs there are many gods at least they believe in something beyond themselves . It is much easier to get to the truth by a process of elimination. I do not think there would be cause for outrage, just patient counsel.
    The atheist is a different being. Personally I would not be outraged by his position either ( I have the dubious advantage of coming from that point of view). My reaction is incredulity . It was my reaction about myself when I did eventually come to the knowledge of the truth. My greatest dilemma was how for so long, on the most important question in life, I , an acknowledged intellectual , could have been so wrong while my illiterate mother and grandmother were right!
    The third category is the agnostic . But since he claims to know nothing, any discussion with him is doomed to lead only to the nothing he knows and may be forever unprofitable.
    God however has revealed himself sufficiently in all spheres of knowledge so that those who deny him “are without excuse”. His grace is such that all who earnestly seek him find him for he has already taken the initiative in this process.

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  2. SeekingHim
    January 3, 2015

    ‘How can you be certain that only one God exist ‘
    – My certainty in the existence of God is based on Faith, Reason and Imagination. Faith is a quality we all exercise everyday e.g. When we take a flight, we have faith that the pilot we have not seen has experience and ability we have no evidence of to fly this loaded piece of metal and land it at the destination on my ticket. A more usual example is when we go to a resturant we have faith that the chef will prepare the meal I order with certain standards and hence I confidently consume the meal without reservation (you may question my wisdom in having such confidence:). In the same way I have faith that, God, whom I have not seen, exists based on my repeated intangible experiences also supported by the second two factor afformentioned. Factor # 2 is reason both for what it proves and also it’s limits. For example, it is unreasonable to believe (as a atheist would have to assert) that something can come out of nothing. No respectable scientist, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof, will say that the universe was formed from nothing. That is illogical. They would say that research is still being done to determine where or how the stuff that resulted in ‘the big bang’ came to be. In my view, it is more reasonable to believe that there must be an ‘uncaused cause’. That, for me, reasonably, would be God. My third factor is my imagination which finds a Godless universe more problematic (in many philosophical ways) and incoherent than a universe explained by the existence of God. Lastly, as to the singularity of God, I see no reason to assume there are many as one God does suffice as a matter of deduction.

    ‘Do you know everything’
    No. I do not. In fact, the very fact that you and I do not know everything means no one can be an atheist. At the very least, one must leave open the possibility that God may exist in the realm of knowledge that they do not have. This means that what you are is an agnostic. For one to claim to be an atheist, he or she would need to know everything so as to be able to claim, with full knowledge, that God doesn’t exist.

    ‘How could you be so arrogant’
    I think arrogance is when one does not factor in other possibilities. I humbly suggest that I have. What do you think? Also, is it arrogant for one who ‘does not know everything’ to state definitively that God doesn’t exist?

    ‘You can’t possibly know that’
    Ahhhh … Knowledge. In the same way I can know and love my wife and my two children or know that hatred is real (none of which can be empirically evidenced), I can also ‘know’ that God exists.

    Thank you for your blog.

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    • staraffinity
      March 5, 2015

      ”For example, it is unreasonable to believe (as a atheist would have to assert) that something can come out of nothing. No respectable scientist, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof, will say that the universe was formed from nothing. That is illogical.”

      Not true. Lawrence Krauss is a ”respectable scientist” (physicists) and he has even write a book called ”A Universe From nothing”.

      Another respectable scientist is Michio Kaku, and he explains a thing or two here: http://bigthink.com/videos/a-universe-is-a-free-lunch

      ”Quantum theory, and specifically Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, provide a natural explanation for how that energy may have come out of nothing. Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticles spontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called “virtual particle” pairs are known as “quantum fluctuations.” Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time. Virtual particle pairs (such as electrons and positrons) directly affect the energy levels of atoms, and the predicted energy levels disagree with the experimentally measured levels unless quantum fluctuations are taken into account.”

      https://www.astrosociety.org/publications/a-universe-from-nothing/

      Physics on particle level is in many ways unintuitive to most of us. We can’t always apply simple deductive reasoning to anything, because when it comes to some aspects of the universe, that doesn’t work.

      Anyway, why doesn’t God need to come from somewhere and why doesn’t the circumstances for how God came into existence has to be explained? Saying ”he has always existed” is just argument from ignorance and dodging the problem. How can anyone know that God has always existed? I’d say that claim is intellectually dishonest to say the least.

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